Exposing Faith Healers (ABC News Report)

Exposing Faith Healers (ABC News Report)



this is primetime primetime from New York Diane Sawyer good evening Sam is away tonight last November we brought you our four-month investigation of three television ministries well tonight you're going to see those ministers again and hear what's happened since our report as we said at the time the United States was founded on the principle of religious liberty the laws give wide latitude to religious institutions here even ones that use the public Airways to raise tax free funds there's very little monitoring of what they broadcast and the topic is too hot for Congress to handle so primetime called through bank transactions property records databases traveled with hidden cameras from Dallas to the banks of Oklahoma to Poland and Haiti we still want to make it clear that we are in no way questioning faith or religious beliefs of any kind in fact many of the people who helped in this investigation are devout members of religious organizations but they believe it's important to know the facts so we took this close look at three ministries to see if the things being said and implied on the air were true we began with a man best known as a healer WV grant it's up to you the word said you can have what you say and what you think as a man thinketh so is a hallelujah WV grant is an old-fashioned second generation singing revival preacher Oh grant is a faith healer who appears on TV all across the country big parable for chica Babu and his followers traveled miles to see him and give a lot of money because they believed in his miracles better leave on won't you stand up they see grant raising people out of their wheelchairs throws away their canes you can even make a stunted leg grow in a matter of seconds grant says it's God who tells him the names to call out of the audience and what illnesses have to be healed Paulie godhood as long as you live you'll never see a speech therapist again we wanted to know more about grants miracles and his money so we decided to begin by taking hidden cameras into film a week of his services we discovered that before every service granted his associates circulate informally among the friends and family of the sick making notes or even casually interviewing the people who will later be healed we saw grant gather information on more than 35 people he later seemed to identify by revelation from God but if pre-interviews explained the revelations what explains the healing we observed that grant uses a series of artful deceptions and tricks for example I'm so grant walk up to this man during the service and hold up his cane who healed him and told him to run down the aisle the crowd thunders applause but let's look at that again grant isn't grabbing the cane of the man he's grabbing the cane of the woman in the next seat outside the man told us his problem was with his arm he had never had any trouble walking and when we questioned the people grant had lifted out of wheelchairs everyone we talked to said they could walk all along could you walk at all before you hare so we wondered why don't they speak up why don't they say wait a minute I know how you know my name no they will do that these two people asked that their identities be hidden including their voices though the words are all their own they worked for grant knew him very well and say he knows that religious people want to preserve the illusion and won't give him away so this little boy who is in fact confined to a wheelchair for life left the service without any miracles offered for him and there's something else we want to show you here's what happened when grant called up this woman her name is Diane dougherty grant hadn't talked to her but before the service he had talked to this woman her friend Kelly Sutherland he didn't know that both of these women worked for prime time she been searched she's with the disc last year and has been in pain ever since when she lives something and she was lifting a suitcase but when grant call Diane up it seemed the information had just come into his head this is this is not in line the Resta in fact Diane doesn't have back pain she said this because we'd noticed in every service grant amazed the crowd when he detected that someone with back pain and one leg shorter than the other sure enough he decided Diane had the problem to letting on this side because of the slit this was a little bit shorter than laying on that side ever we were about to see an old magician's trick as Diane sits down grabs her shoe pulls out the heel of the shoe to make the leg look longer as he prays he slowly pushes the heel of the shoe back in giving the illusion that the short leg has grown every miracle means money for grant we watched thousands of people people with cancer leukemia elderly on fixed incomes line up to give money sources say the ministry takes in six to ten million dollars a year much of which grant takes out for himself I just want to make sure that I understand this correctly though over the years he has pocketed as his personal spending money then hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars yes what would he do with this money is he a big spender would be nothing for him to spend fifteen hundred dollars for a suit I knew of one instance where there was a Mercedes bought in Fort Lauderdale Florida for eighty four thousand dollars did he pay in cash good hey money and here is the million dollar mansion where the grants now live just one of several properties his ministry owns and even his grant was sending out this fundraising letter one Christmas begging followers for money saying he had to borrow 99 dollars according to documents obtained by prime time he was buying his second Ferrari a 1990 model that lists at one hundred and five thousand dollars faith-healing isn't the only way grant gets followers to give money for decades he's touched their hearts with his televised Appeals for food and clothes for the orphans of Haiti this is an actual child in our Royal Palms orphanage in port-au-prince Haiti this is not a beautiful child a beautiful child who by the way isn't even Haitian in at services associate pastor Ross Collette tells how grant supports 3500 children sixty-four orphanages in Haiti Collette practically moves people to tears with his story of the saintly woman who runs one of grants orphanages a woman they call mommy but we wondered how mommy could have made that confession this is our cushaw Haiti and this is mommy's grave she's been dead for five years the orphanage still exists full of children who do need money food and clothes but how much does grant give two of the doctors who now run the orphanage told us grant doesn't give them a dime you never said any money so you get no money from Roman grant he doesn't come here yeah he does nothing for your children but you're really saying Reverend grant is a fraud do we we yes but what about those 64 other orphanages grant claims in Haiti those 3500 children or the full time American missionary he claims their brother Bob Jones about 17 they live here meet brother Bob Jones he didn't know we were filming with hidden cameras we told him we worked for people trying to start a new TV ministry in the States Jones quickly confirmed he doesn't oversee any 64 orphanages just one for 17 children whom he does seem to love and care for this is one little boy this John's told us grant does sent a couple of thousand dollars a month to Haiti but that grant is just one of the evangelists claiming Jones orphanage and said if we liked we could claim it too in Dallas fix you up a sign on a canvas rolling out welcome to Haiti put your name under whatever you want then we take these kids name stand that your string you sign out and put up then you're down it back inside a couple kids on either side of you and let's say we plan to use the kids to raise a lot of money wanted to keep 95% of it for ourselves Jones would sign on let's say you sent me $25 per month for each one of my children and then you turn around and you raise $500 for each child for that month the thing of this way I look at it is the 25 is the 25 of them that got metallized and you didn't race I wouldn't get so I'm happy with that now this what a little piece of it but the law says you can't mislead people about the money you raise and where it goes it's the kind of thing that put Jim Baker in jail Jim Baker he wouldn't is let it be in a hat right but he did you know he didn't handle it right Jones told us the way to handle it is sent him all the money we raised and he'd find a way to send back to us what we agree on a kind of laundering scheme now when you said it to me how I would yeah yeah he tended me back as what I just put IV far they have cover cosmic state and finally Jones offered another service he'll provide those heart-tugging photographs evangelist used to make viewers think they alone are getting to sponsor an individual child everybody wants a real core the skinnier the child is and the other hopefully you making five any babies picture I mean that was a teaching just little bit which whole grant would have as many as 50 sponsors for one photograph so we asked how much he'd get for Haiti in a month and we were told in one month for example three hundred and fifty thousand dollars in a month when in fact he was only sending down to the fourth Oh since grant had refused an interview we tried to see him after a service I'd like that dispatch emissions hating particularly grant refused to give us any answers and called out for his lawyer who denounced us while grants wife tried to block the camera lens it's not of God it was you tell us what it was about I can tell you what the questions are you know there'll be no questions tonight after our broadcast WV grant lost some of his faith healing followers but he's still on the air and planning for Ray's around the country also by the way we learned grant has purchased a newer Mercedes and that he has another home in Breckenridge Colorado a five-story ski resort he rents out for as much as six hundred dollars a night what you're about to see now is very different from our first report as you'll recall we had heard that Larry Lee had a sophisticated ministry and we'd heard that some of his multi-million dollar fundraising was built on careful omissions careful misrepresentations well it certainly does cost a lot for Lee to run his TV ministry with the high cost of airtime and overhead our question was what kind of appeals get the followers to send in money and how truthful is Larry Lee while he's on TV destroy your life or your family or your property Rory Lee's followers say he's the next Billy Graham two years ago he was tapped as the keynote speaker at the National Religious broadcasters convention another sign he's a star on the horizon well I want to say to you my good brother my dear sister I understand that pain we built up at 11,000 member congregation and a 15 million dollar goal glass church outside Dallas but in 1990 he left the church to concentrate solely on his TV ministry where he raised money preaching that prayers would be answered through donations to God he calls it sowing the seed the best time to sow is when your head and with the aid of a courageous local pastor Larry Lee is building the first spirit filled Church in Auschwitz since the end of World War two one of these big fundraising campaigns was an emotional appeal for the church Lee said he was building at the site of the Nazi horror Allen house which we're going there to build a physical Church as well as instruct the pastor for six weeks these phone lines lit up taking donations for the cause if you would like to make a donation using your Visa or MasterCard that's one what Lee didn't know was that we had followed him undercover when he went to Poland it turns out the church at Auschwitz isn't Larry Lee's church at all yeah no no no we only spent about an hour at the church looked around nothing else the church Treasury secretary told us it was started two years ago by the Polish Pentecostal community with money raised entirely on their own until now he did not leave a penny here in the church that right now we're building it then I'll switch Poland you gave the clear impression on the air that you were going over to build this church mm-hmm in fact this church had been underway for two years before you ever your name even came up in it that's right but before he left Poland Lee finally did give the church a small one-time donation of thirty thousand dollars the head of the church told us Lee said that was all he could give though compared to what the Lee ministry takes in every year $30,000 is pocket change we also Diane we talked about the fact that we were raising money for the Poland crusade we talked about the fact that we were bringing the pastors and their wife how much did that cost I don't know to that I don't know exactly we do cost $12,000 so that's a total of $42,000 when you were taking in how much is part of this campaign yeah I'm not clear I'm not sure exactly the numbers because we have copies so we totally we obtained some of his bank records which show that the amount he gave in Poland was indeed way less than his ministry often takes in in a day you can see here the Larry Lee ministry took in more than a million dollars in one month day after day you're taking an enormous amounts of money you're taking it a hundred eleven thousand dollars that's one day seventeen thousand twenty-six thousand forty five thousand a hundred and twenty five thousand one day do you think the people who scented money for this church knew that you were going to give this church a tiny fraction of what you make in one day you know Diane we are you mentioned the National Religious broadcasters earlier we have the Ethicon seal which is their ethics and financial integrity commission when we apply for this we submitted we submitted all of how we raise finances where the money goes how it goes we have an audit every year everything that we do can we see it sure but even after repeated requests Lee never sent us the audit or figures on donations to Poland his spokesman told us he couldn't say whether more money came in for Poland than Lee donated because the money all went into one general fund and how Larry Lee to his own life after fire destroyed his family's home but what about another of Larry Lee's fundraising ploys a series of tapes that Lee promoted for donations which contained spiritual lessons he learned when calamity struck him last summer for a sacrificial investment of $30 or more to the prayer ministry throughout the summer last year Larry Lee told viewers he'd lost everything he had because his Tulsa house had burned to the ground we've had plenty to where praise God ain't much but what we've got it's honest we lost our furniture and we lost our home and we lost most of our car lose everything you had yeah well not quite everything a Tulsa house burned all right an insured house Lee had been trying to sell for two years without luck Lee says he had just moved his things into it before the fire but Lee didn't lose this house it's the 5.1 acre estate outside Dallas where he lived for six years and Lee didn't tell his viewers about this you knew what you were doing no ma'am you knew the impression you were creating do you think people knew that you were not destitute homeless wiped out we moved with all of our furniture and everything we had last June so what was Lee saying that there was nothing left in that house in Dallas we were told that you have a lot still there no there's nothing there nothing take a look at these photographs taken two days after our interview with Lee the Dallas house filled with furniture books family photos Lee's made and the nanny we're still working there and not only that we learned one month after the Tulsa house burned Larry Lee's ministry bought him another house there a third house paid for in cash my little girl she said daddy you don't have to get me a car because we probably don't have enough money let me tell you something God's people will always have enough money if when they're hit by the devil they so the biggest seed they can immediately after our show aired the national religious broadcasters announced that Lee was not in compliance with its ever calm standards and Lee announced that he was taking himself off TV and wanted to clear his name well the NRB reviewed these records and issued its findings last March the findings say that from now on the money Larry Lee raises from Poland will be put into a separate account and so the NRB has given Lee its approval once again and last May Larry Lee went back on the air you are now going to meet a man who we calculated last year took in more money that the income of Madonna and Michael Jackson combined as we said before it takes a lot of money to keep one of those TV ministries on the air but we've been told that making money and marketing of what this man does best insiders told us his organization is the state-of-the-art factory for donations all for the operations and bank accounts of the Robert Tilton ministry and I think something as though the Mets with me they're messing with the apple of God's eye this is Robert Tilton he had the fastest growing ministry on television last year you foul rotten stinking devil I'm gonna beat you up you double cut you to pieces when David Jesus viewers are riveted by his melodrama his quirky style oh don't go there come oh good day yeah I love ya and he parlays all of it into a high tech Church in Dallas and more airtime than almost any other televangelist oh say yes Lord Tilton takes in so much money he makes other TV ministers look like amateurs and I want you to make $1,000 validate oh I know you probably don't have a thousand dollars but ballot try to find out how much money Tilton makes and you discover the ministry is shrouded in secrecy the pastor has bodyguards his offices are sealed off with armed security and surveillance cameras but primetime obtained some of Tilton's financial documents these are daily deposits and based on these Tilton's followers sent his ministry conservatively 80 mil in dollars a year tax-free and welcome to Word of Faith Family Church Tilton's televised service is an expensive multimedia variety hour but for all his flashy style Tilton insists he's still a simple preacher who cares about the sickness and suffering of his followers bones go together so we decided to take hidden cameras to see what we could learn about Robert Tilton's fundraising it led us first to the nerve center of his ministry the company that organizes his direct mail it's called response media better than Jim Moore is president of response media he handles not only Tilton but a number of big corporate accounts we told more that we were media consultants for this man Dallas minister Olli Anthony we asked him to show us how to start a big-money ministry like Tilton's thousand free yeah we want to marry you let us copy of X and get the name and address now new names is the key community just don't think it is we learned that once people give you their names it's easy to keep them on the hook you mailed them something with a gimmick in it first of all in the southern itam init it gets her attention Tilton sends out an avalanche of things he asks viewers to send back to him Miracle prayer Claus he promises to touch and place upon an altar chords he says he'll place on a wall of deliverance arrows he'll use to take aim at a sufferers needs a tracing place your hand there and he'll put his hand there – there's holy water from the River Jordan miracle anointing oil though Moore said some of the items come from that holy place Taiwan the letters accompanying the items are written by ghost riders to pressure followers to write back and make donations to does it work people send them in by the truckloads it's a great marketing scheme there is a feeling of obligation send it back and they do usually when sent ago I'll go ahead for $5 it just I'm not sure exactly all the reasons why it works but I could tell you for years years it says it does and when the letters arrived they're processed so the company knows which fundraising appeals you can use to squeeze followers for the most donations take 5000 run them up his demographic and play and create a Profiles who their people are how many people have cars that are so it's market research not God who can tell Tilton which appeals reach the richest donors which illnesses create the most dollar opportunities someone had a grope I just saw growth being healed and Tilton creates the impression that after he pays for his overhead and all that expensive airtime the money goes to good works like these his missions around the world but we tracked down five of Tilton's so-called missions and we calculate he spends more in a year on Billboard's around Dallas than he does on these five missions combined and about this mission Tilton's orphanage in Haiti well remember Bob Jones who told us for just a few thousand a month we could put up a sign and claim an entire orphanage even if we weren't the only contributor would you may wonder whatever you want so even though his magazine calls it the Robert Tilton ministries Children's Home it's really not Tilton's place at all which is why government officials we spoke to in Haiti hadn't heard of Tilton or his orphan nothing from Robert Tilton yeah and Tilton's marketing director made it clear when it comes to money for missions Tilton is very smart he's careful not to say what donation goes where so he can avoid again how Jim and Tammy got caught taking it they could have taken as much money as they wanted to it never been in trouble yeah see that's why so you'll advise funds to sort of keep it nice Pacific well if you can raise being a specific I always recommend that isn't and children refugees by hate driver never raise money for specific project until you never heard a TV preacher asking for money like this before Robert Tilton as I knew him was practicing to become a Salesman that was his concept of success with this man who wanted anonymity is just one of several old friends of Robert Tilton who talked to us he remembers when they were in college they would use drugs or get drunk and go off to tent revivals as a kind of sport and we'd be drunk and go down front fall to our knees speak in tongues mmm Tilton and his friends started developing parody so-called Jesus raps of their own oh dear God come into this young woman's life Hill tonight she has a need to find pasture Oh God in the name of Jesus we believe in prayer we believe in miracles I personally thought I was a lot better at it than he was Tilton who never finished college admits he was a drug user but says he was saved when some people came to his house and explained Christ I had just changed I just fell in love with everybody but he never tells followers how he and his friends talked about running preacher scams and cashing in we said that when we graduated that we would buy a good tent a dynamite sound system a good Amen section and fly around the country and get rich we sold everything that we had on a ragged tit and a big old truck and a travel trailer and we headed out tell people about this gospel of Jesus that was 1974 when Tilton started out and by 1981 he had hit the big time how primetime has learned that for several years Tilton courted a man news accounts have tied to organized crime and drug smuggling Herman Beebe a financier whose banks gave Tilton a 1.3 million dollar loan though Tilton claims he never met the man and after Tilton got the money he got a new image – a permanent way for his hair plastic surgery and like his good buddy Jim Baker a talent for tears on demand he said those washing my face this morning all the kids so long and we were there one day with hidden camera when he made it clear the tears of his followers are good for the TV pitch to all that going on I thought I was coming there to really help people and to minister to their needs bill hardy left the Tilton ministry after two years as a telephone prayer minister taking calls from desperate followers hardy showed us the phone scripts which directed ministers to get a minimum vow of 100 dollars from each caller we truly became the McDonald's of ministry we were selling our ministry for money Lord spoken said bomb I'm sending you the people have nothing and his followers believed what Tilton says about himself in the ministry magazine that he only gets a salary set by an independent firm and one perk a parsonage but could this have been the parsonage in SWANCC Rancho Santa Fe California a multi-million dollar Lakeview home with pool jacuzzis thousands of dollars in furnishings a four car garage for Tilton's Mercedes it's now been sold but though the title was in the name of Tilton's lawyer Tilton lived here for more than two years the house was paid for in cash or is this the parsonage in Fort Lauderdale Florida where Tilton bought a $132,000 boat this time he put the house in the name of a holding company allegedly for security but according to bank documents its Tilton who owns it and tilton's ministry built him yet another home in Las Colinas Texas while renting him a fourth home till it was finished for six thousand dollars a month and take a look at this primetime obtained a document which shows that although the ministry is a corporation Tilton personally has access to all its wealth almost as if it were a sole proprietorship in his personal loan application Tilton's bank says he has one and a half million dollars in cash and CDs he has access to fourteen million dollars in Treasury bills and real-estate bought at a cost of 40 million dollars that's an all 16 million dollars in assets available to Tilton and those are the ones he puts on the list there's only his board to hold him accountable so who's on the board Tilton his secretary and his wife God gave me this truth he didn't send me the rich fat cat to think they got it made don't need God or pictures he sent me to people that are beat-up they're hurting but how much does Tilton really care about the beat up and the hurting we kept thinking about something the head of the Direct Mail operation told us that the mail doesn't go to Tilton it's forwarded unopened to Tilton's bank and toss up so the bank opens the followers mail not to share the agony but to get the money the bank opens the letter to come back in and takes your money puts in your account all we get is the paper document and how much the person gave and those items that people have prayed over and sent in believing Robert Tilton would touch them and pray over them to well if some made it to Tilton there are thousands that didn't we found them in the garbage at the bank and the marketing Research Center the angels of God the prayer cords the arrows this person wanted his aimed at getting a real dad the tracing where Tilton said he'd place his hand ripped up by letter processors we found heartbreaking appeals from followers and letters like this one it came with personal photographs for Pastor Bob and a prayerful message it also came with a $7000 pledge the money probably made it to Tilton the prayers went in the trash and in a moment new information on Robert Tilton will tell you what's happened to him since our report first aired so what happened after our report and after Robert Tilton took to the air ways to denounce us I'm hot look stupid but I ain't stupid the day after our report Tilton flatly denied that prayer requests are thrown away before he sees them he said the ones in our peace had been stolen and made to look like trash cheap shot total yellow journalism I mean in fact Tilton insisted he had prayed over so many letters had made him sick those prayer request forms have ink on them and all kinds of chemicals are laid on top of those prayer requests so much that the chemicals actually got into my bloodstream begin to swell my capillaries and I had two small strokes in my brain that brought about some numbness in my body he said that's what's forced him to get that plastic surgery yeah I had that my eyes worked on to try to get the serious bags out from under my eyes and how all those chemicals had messed them up and Tilton said he bought the mansion in California and the retreat in Florida and the big boat because after all the praying he needed some rest so what I never preached poverty you I said God would provide you with the best and I'm not supposed to I can tell you you can have the best blind supposed to have nothing get that religious garbage outta your brain so this is what Tilton was saying last November I lay my hands personally on every prayer request that comes in into the phone center our comes in through the mail but four months later here is Tilton in a videotaped deposition with the Texas Attorney General's Office which they recently released to the press of her Tilton's objection Boxey in it Tilton admits he doesn't really pray over every prayer request at all not all of them are the original fairy please some Oh our own a computer ran out with their specific kinds of prayer that they want me to pray so I don't with the actual document of some of them and what happened to the actual document so and in her deposition Tilton's wife acknowledged that Tilton so-called personal letters were not handwritten by him is the handwriting on the veil pieces actually mr. Chilton Sandra no it is is it part of a graphics program that you have it's one of the artists and who answers these letters asking for spiritual guidance advice miracles not Tilton nor his prayer ministers but people hired by that data processing center in Tulsa and this word of faith specify what kind of training there we see no an orphanage in Haiti the people's names on there that run the orphanages to support it if the idiots are just read it also after our broadcast Tilton attacked us for what we said about his missions the ones he implies are his own like this one here's how he promotes it on his TV show wings of mercy a center sponsored by Robert Tilton ministries the promotion makes you think this is Tilton Center but listen to his deposition you know what wings of Mercy is no wonder since primetime has learned that Tilton's contribution to that mission is just 300 dollars a month and what about something else Tilton said in his deposition he claims that his contribution to his mission in Guatemala is 100 percent of their needs G we're going to provide really percent of the support that they needed to maintain their operation so we checked this out we spoke to the on-site missionary in Guatemala who told us in fact Tilton is only a partial sponsor and the Guatemalan government has gone public to say that Tilton and his promotional material exaggerated his contribution for personal gain the beauty of his claim of a special invitation and I've been invited to be in the inauguration of all all the celebrations and Wow that's not true according to the president spokesman for Nando Moniz well know that the president has invited him to attend the inauguration is by all means false nor does he have any relation with the government but we cannot take action against a swindler of this calibre yet we are going to take this good news of Jesus Christ around the world you get to help make it happen through your tithes and offerings and something else about Tilton the missionary repeatedly he tells his viewers that their donations enable him to win souls around the world and we totally Board of Faith Ministries you the Family Church underwrites totally this particular evangelism unit Tilton tells followers they finance Crusades and countries too poor to pay themselves he's come all the way from America so one time decided to follow Robert Tilton to India this past March you want the wave got tonight well there was Tilton passing the collection plates nightly if each of these people gave just a few pennies Tilton would get back hundreds of thousands of dollars money taken from the people he himself calls the poorest people on earth Tilton said please donate money please donate money so everybody got disappointed and then everybody whispered this is not a crusade it's a business and before we leave you we wanted you to meet two people who decided recently to speak out to confirm Robert Tilton is not the devoted minister he claims I never saw him visiting the sick I never saw him counseling I never saw him with anybody from the congregation you know Connie Cohn was the Tilton's personal secretary in the early eighties she and her husband were so devoted they donated $30,000 to the church she says she started out in all of Tilton until she saw the real man up close she says Tilton had a library filled with get-rich-quick books which he even used for his sermons though he told her not to tell I saw some of the sermons and some of the quotes from the books it's like he takes some of the things out of the book incorporates them into the sermons and uses it as the Word of God hey I'm quoting to you what God said they had a swimming pool place and lots and lots of money Brenda Reynolds also saw Tilton at home she took care of his children for six years and was head of housekeeping at the ministry for two more she says mrs. Tilton ran things at home and the ministry and the two of them lived like royalty oh yes she had diamond in furs and I think here oppress you she had cost at least a hundred bucks and she had about 150 pair him same thing and Brenda Reynolds also saw something else she says the ministry sent over boxes and boxes of prayer requests to Tilton's home for him to look at and pray over but she says he didn't want them in the house he had told me to just put them in the garage when they bring them out did you ever try to bring him in the house well like I say I did one time what happened then from then on well he just told me to just put him in the garage and they stay in the garage and they stacked up in stacked up and I told my said with it those are things that you supposed to be praying over you know and he told me said we'll just take him to the trash thrown away I laid on top of those prayer requests so much that the chemicals actually got into my bloodstream I know for a fact that he did not pray over them and he that I took him to the trash myself and I would look at it and I would remember thinking to myself what these people only knew you know what they were doing he has got to know inside that he's a phony that he's taken people I think he has become cynical and Connie Cohn a devout Christian is speaking out because she wants to urge people to follow the Bible not she says false prophets like Robert Tilton White's I just want everybody to know that Bob Tilton is not the only kind of Christian in this world what he holds up as Christianity is totally false and totally opposite of what the Bible says you should know we called Robert Tilton last week and his attorney refused our request for an on-camera interview a few other things Robert Tilton is being sued by nine people former followers or families of followers seeking at least 250 million dollars for fraud he is countersued our original report triggered investigations by the FBI the IRS the Postal Service and the Texas Attorney General's Office Tilton first said that he'd be opened with his records but then he got a restraining order to keep the Texas Attorney General's Office from obtaining his records however the Attorney General says he'll continue his investigation and finally in a deposition to the attorney general's office Tilton said that since the investigations began and since our broadcast his donations are down by as much as one-third you

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